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Tropic escribió:Me gusta lo de los pajarracos :lol: Y ciertamente preferiría evitar al tocapelotas de turno, me temo que en este pueblo son muy pijoteros (para algunas cosas, luego los perros de razas agresivas van sueltos y sin bozal... :roll:)
Ojos que no ven => gilipuertas cuyos rebuznos no habrás de escuchar.
La soldadura que se ve en el centro/arriba de la primera foto no tiene buena pinta :-k
Yep, a mí tampoco me convence mucho :-k . Pero témome que con mi excelso arte soldador no pueda mejorarla mucho más :o , así que Allahu Akbar :lol: .
Si se suelta en vuelo recuerda cortar gas, no sea que planee en llamas hacia el suelo gracias a un corto.. :lol:
Yep don't care :wink: , standard emergency procedure: Al mínimo djudju en motor/hélice, palanca izquierda atrás a tope.
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Este video se sale :vamp: , dos Isidisis con FPV grabando en el chaser. Además es de cosecha local. Paciencia en la descarga que merece la pena:

http://www.vimeo.com/479385
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:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Imagen (Click on)

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Flaps DIY en Isidisis, from RCGroups:

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*Nótese que ha puesto una tira de cinta para sellar la ranura entre el flap y el ala. Los flaps ranurados generan más sustentación y menos drag. Los sin ranura menos sustentación y más drag. En este caso se busca más el frenado que la sustentación (que al Isidisi le sobra).

Nótese también la previsora aplicación de cinta de refuerzo en panza y bordes de ataque, harto saludable con corchos.




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Imagen Truco para saber la altitud sin radioaltímetro.

Estimating Altitude

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Imagen Esta combinación de ambos alerones arriba y flaps abajo se denomina 'Cuervo' (Crow) o 'Mariposa' (Butterfly).

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Es ideal para una aproximación final a tierra lenta y dócil (máximo lift, cortesía de los flaps; máximo drag, cortesía de los alerones arriba).

Lástima grande que exija radio programable con mezclas.
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Vale, estos SI que me han impresionado :lol: :lol: :shock: Y el FPV impresionante, cuando se hacen esas pasaditas a baja altura, hasta entre farolas :shock: Que divertido :twisted:

Me gusta el esquema de estimacion de altitud. Es mas, ese Easy tiene mas o menos todo lo que yo queria pintar en la Cessna: Esquema negro y blanco en el intrados, y naranja en los bordes de ataque ;)


Por cierto, me está gustando mucho como vuela el Easy, igual cuando lo vea en directo me acabo de envenenar y me lo compro :lol:
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Y este tipo va a conseguir que me haga con un F18... Nuevos experimentos de vuelo en High Alpha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shlGjfQjaHY
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Tropic escribió:
Vale, estos SI que me han impresionado :lol: :lol: :shock:
Ya te vale :) (aunque seas vecino de Juanito joeeeer :lol: ).
Me gusta el esquema de estimacion de altitud. Es mas, ese Easy tiene mas o menos todo lo que yo queria pintar en la Cessna: Esquema negro y blanco en el intrados, y naranja en los bordes de ataque ;)
Las bandas de invasión negras se ven muy bien contra el azul cielo o el blanco nube de fondo.

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Yo las voy a poner en azul oscuro, que se ven cuasigual de bien y quedan más chulas, y solo dos o tres por ala, sin 'optotelemetría' :lol: .


Hay por ahí un color naranja-neón-fosforito-MISOJOS que de lejos se vé a mil millas y de cerca exige gafas de sol para acercarse.


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Yo lo he usado para unos pequeños toquecitos en el intradós de las puntas de ala y estabilizador (para tener claro cuando esta en invertido) y en el buje de la hélice (para ver claro que viene de frente).
Por cierto, me está gustando mucho como vuela el Easy, igual cuando lo vea en directo me acabo de envenenar y me lo compro :lol:
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http://www.slofly.com/attachment.php?s= ... 1221614854

Aunque a vuecencia quizá le interese más el Pro, por aquello del Bruslí:

http://www.multiplex-rc.de/cms/vorschau ... ro_5sp.pdf

*Corregido el link al .pdf del EZG-PRO.
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Atención, pregunta létrica.

¿Se puede calcular aproximadamente el 'C' (max safe discharge rate) de una batería, sabiendo el voltaje, resistencia interna y los mAh?

¿V.g. cómo saber el C esta pilita recargable NIMH?:


http://www.batterystore.com/Sanyo/SanyoPDF/HR3U2100.pdf


Para exprimirlas al máximo, you know :santo: .
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Jejeje :lol: :lol:

Creo que depende mas de los materiales de fabricacion que de sus caracteristicas electricas (capacidad y tension) Como aproximacion busca alguna que si tenga declarado ese valor, ya veo que esta esta "under evaluation" y todavia no lo han definido (curioso :-k)
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Poco a poco me voy coscando de toda esta herejía létrica, y parece ser que para lo que me ocupa es más interesante la capacidad de la batería para entregar muchos amperios durante poco tiempo (ZOOM), más que pocos amperios durante mucho tiempo (ZZZZ). Uséase, cuanto mayor C (capacidad), mejor.

Parece ser que las NiMH formato 'AA' tienen comparativamente más resistencia interna que otros formatos de pila (formato 'SC', formato 'C'); y cuanto más mAh escrito en la pila, mayor resistencia interna.

Y parece ser también que cuanto mayor la resistencia interna, menor C, gñ gñ :roll: .



BTW, no te pierdas esto, ideal para cálculos truñeros y by-the-face:


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Tropic escribió:Como aproximacion busca alguna que si tenga declarado ese valor, ya veo que esta esta "under evaluation" y todavia no lo han definido (curioso :-k)
Aquí hay chopped:

http://www.houseofbatteries.com/pdf/HR-3U-2500

Y es lo que sospechaba, las formato AA largas y estrechas dan mucha menos chicha en amperios que las más gorditas y con menor resistencia interna (7 miliohmios vs 25) como las formato 4/5 SC:

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http://www.batterystore.com/Sanyo/SanyoPDF/HR45SCU.pdf

Por lo que he visto por ahí, empíricamente a las AA no las sacas más de ~5C. En una 2700 mAh 5C son unos 13.5A máximo (2.7 x 5). P' alimentar al escobatirrín 400 6V de serie es suficiente, pero cualquier otra cosa necesitará pilas con mayor C.
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(Por ahí arriba había puesto mal el link al .pdf con el manual del EZG-PRO :oops: ; yatá corregido :) ).


El PRO es la última versión del Isidisi (2008), tiene un morro diferente (más sólido, diseñado desde el principio para enhebrar Bruslís), y una bodega de baterías más grande bajo el encastre del ala (para que entren LiPos de tres elementos). En lo demás es idéntico al EZG-Electric escobatero.


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El kit básico EZG-PRO viene sin motor alguno.
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Tropic escribió: ... el FPV impresionante ...
Quien quiera flipar en todos los colores del espectro, que haga click:

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Fantástico :uoou: :uoou: :uoou: . Y todo usando un simple Isidisi como plataforma RPV.
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Vayan unas batallitas de montaje.


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Semifuselajes lado a lado. Los servos (MPX Tiny-S) de elevador y timón ya estan pegados en sus sitios. En el Isidisi la antena sale del receptor e inmediatamente entra por un tubo hueco de fibra de vidrio (transparente a radio y radar) que corre por la panza hasta la cola. El último tramo de antena queda colgando, como dios manda.


Una desviación del guión. He apañado DIY la cola para hacerla desmontable.

Dos varillas sólidas y ligeras de fibra de vidrio insertadas en la deriva. Y un butroncito en la bisagra inferior (de duro nylon) del timón, por el que pasará un tornillito para anclar al fuselaje:

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Dos rebajes semicirculares en cada semifuselaje para alojar las varillas, y bujero p'al tornillico bisagra:

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Al invento que sigue lo llamo 'la chimenea'. La idea es forzar la extracción de aire caliente de la proa, donde el motor escobator generará mucho calor. Se practica un butrón y un largo conducto en ángulo a través de la cúpula desde su parte inferior:

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Y por donde asoma el conducto por la parte superior de la cúpula se instala un 'generador de bajas presiones'.

Como en mis aeromodelos solo utilizo materiales de la máxima calidad, avanzada tecnología aeronáutica y supino caché, mi 'generador de bajas presiones' es media capucha de un boli BIC, con la patilla amputada y abierta en canal longitudinalmente:
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La idea es que detrás de la semicapucha BIC se genere una pequeña zona de baja presión aerodinámica, forzando la extracción de aire caliente por el conducto :wink: :

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P.S.: Nunca apuntéis con flash al corchopán blanco, quemará las afotos. Ahora entiendo porqué los fotógrafos pro usan tanto las pantallas de corchopán :lol: .
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Improving Aircraft Stall Characteristics
with Fixed Devices


Kate Bernard
AVI401 - Aerodynamics
Professor Steven Accinelli
April 25, 2003


Stalls and Spins

Stalls and resulting spins have caused aircraft accidents since the beginning of flight. Even though airplanes have evolved to have better stall characteristics, stalls and spins continue to be a leading cause of accidents (Landsberg).

A stall occurs when airflow separates from all or part of the upper surface of a wing, resulting in sudden loss of lift. This is caused by exceeding the critical angle of attack (angle of attack is the angle between the relative wind and the chord line of the airfoil). Below the critical angle, airflow over the wing surface is relatively smooth. Above the critical angle, the thin layer of air above the wing, or "boundary layer," becomes turbulent and separates from the airfoil (Dole and Lewis, 53). Lift is destroyed and drag increases, causing the aircraft to rapidly lose altitude. Pilots are trained to recover from this condition. However, if the stall occurs too low to the ground, there may not be enough altitude to recover. A study of aircraft accidents from 1992 to 2002 reveals that approximately 80 percent of fatal stall accidents occurred within 1,000 feet of the ground (Landsberg). Stalls are usually associated with slow flight in a nose-up attitude, but they can occur at any airspeed or attitude.

Spins are of even greater concern because recovery requires more altitude and more actions on the part of the pilot. Simply stated, a spin is an autorotation resulting from one side of the wing stalling more than the other. Spins cause rapid loss of altitude. If the pilot does not recover, the aircraft will spin into the ground. Aircraft design affects the ease of entering and recovering from spins. Adding devices to improve stall characteristics will generally reduce spin-related accidents; preventing a stall or making it gentler can reduce accidental spins. Straight-wing aircraft must stall before they will spin (swept-wing aircraft do not necessarily have to stall first) (Dole and Lewis, 186).


Favorable Stall Characteristics

Aircraft are designed to have the most favorable stall characteristics possible given the compromises involved. A good aircraft should give the pilot adequate warning of the stall, stall gradually, and tend not to spin after the stall (USCFC). This means the aircraft wing should stall at the roots first, rather than at the tips where the ailerons are located. (Stalling at the tips first renders the ailerons ineffective for roll control.) Usually a twist, or "washout," is built into the wings so that the tips are always at a lower angle of attack. However, this is not always enough to create good stall characteristics. Some aircraft require further modifications to the wing. In the interest of safety, several types of fixed devices can modify a basic wing in order to improve stall characteristics. These include winglets, leading edge cuffs, stall strips, stall fences, slots, and vortex generators.


Winglets

Winglets, which are vertical extensions of the wingtips, improve stall characteristics by reducing induced drag. This induced drag comes from high pressure air under the wings flowing around the tips to the lower pressure area above, creating vortices. Winglets redistribute the intensity of wingtip vortices over a larger area. They increase the maximum coefficient of lift, resulting in a lower stall speed (BLR, Inc.).

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NASA studied the effect of winglets on the performance and handling qualities of aircraft. Using windtunnels, NASA tested two versions of a model airplane: one with winglets and one without. At stall, the airplane without winglets tended to "roll off" and "drop a wing" (Van Dam et al.). The airplane with winglets demonstrated improved stall characteristics. According to a NASA report, "The winglets appeared to prevent the wing tip from stalling firstÉ reducing the tendency to roll off" (Van Dam et al.). In another study during the fuel crisis of the 1970s, NASA aerodynamicist Richard Whitcomb found that winglets reduced drag by 20 percent (Larson). Less drag means faster stall recovery.

Winglets have disadvantages that may outweigh their advantages in some cases. They create interference drag at the junction between the wing and winglet. This drag offsets the induced drag reduction. Winglets also have a tendency to flutter (Larson).

Since the 1980s, winglets have become common on airliners and business aircraft. They are either built into the original wing design or retrofitted. The Airbus A319 and A320 have small upper and lower winglets. The A330, A340, and Boeing 747 have larger, conventional winglets. The Boeing Business Jet (BBJ) has "blended" winglets which curve up from the wing. Retrofitting a Beech Duke with winglets not only reduces stall speed, it has the advantage of moving that plane from IFR approach category B to category A (BLR, Inc.).


Leading Edge Cuffs

Leading edge cuffs are extensions that project forward and droop from the outboard sections of an aircraft's wings. They divide a wing into two different airfoils. The outboard section, with the cuffs, has a lower angle of attack and continues flying while the inboard section stalls. This allows the ailerons to continue to be effective in the stall. Wing cuffs also increase the stalling angle of attack (Preston).

The VariEze, a canard kitplane designed by Burt Rutan, was the first airplane to use leading edge cuffs after NASA testing. The aircraft did not have conventional stall characteristics. This was aggravated by the fact that builders often installed large engines that shifted the center of gravity too far aft. The aircraft tended to experience wing rock at stall, which is a rapid oscillation about the roll axis caused by one wing stalling, then the other, and so on (Hodgkinson 170). NASA equipped a model of the VariEze with wing cuffs and tested it in a windtunnel. The cuffs made the stall more benign. Burt Rutan was impressed, and nearly every VariEze builder afterward incorporated leading edge cuffs in their airplanes (Cox).

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Leading edge cuffs also proved effective on the Questair Venture kitplane, which had poor stall/spin characteristics before the modification (Cox).

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The Cirrus SR20 and SR22, which are modern production aircraft, have very distinct outboard leading edge cuffs. The inboard sections of the wings show warning signs of a stall while the outboard sections continue flying normally (Fallows 115).

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The disadvantages of leading edge cuffs are that they complicate the wing design and cannot be easily added to an existing wing.



Stall Strips

A simple way to make the inboard section of a wing stall first is to install a stall strip on the inboard leading edge. Stall strips are lengths of wedge-shaped metal, wood, or other material that run parallel to the leading edge. At high angles of attack, the strips disrupt the boundary layer behind them and cause a stall in that area (Preston). They have the added benefit of causing a more pronounced stall buffet, providing more warning to the pilot.

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Stall strips are very common, especially in homebuilt aircraft, because they are easily removed and reattached. Homebuilders can experiment by putting the strips in different locations and noting their effect on stall characteristics. Stall strips are also found on many production aircraft, such as the Mooney series and the Cirrus SR20 and SR22. Some aircraft use stall strips on only one wing in order to eliminate an asymmetric stalling pattern (Preston).

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While stall strips often improve stall characteristics, they are not always a quick fix for an airplane with poor handling qualities. In July of 1997, NTSB Chairman Jim Hall wrote a letter to FAA Administrator Barry Valentine condemning the use of stall strips on the Piper Tomahawk. His letter suggests that stall strips did nothing to improve the stall characteristics of the Tomahawk:

"...[S]hortly after delivery of production airplanes began, owners and operators of the airplane complained that the lateral directional characteristics at the stall were abrupt and unpredictable, and that the airplane exhibited a rapid roll as the stall occurred. In 1979... Piper modified the wing design... by adding two additional stall strips. An airworthiness directive (AD 83-14-08) mandated that all existing airplanes be retrofitted with the additional stall strips.

"However, the additional stall strips may not have solved the problems with the stall characteristics. According to an August 1982 Aviation Safety article, 'Test pilots and flight instructors have found that both the two-strip and the four-strip Tomahawks have a tendency to drop a wing (as much as 90 degrees) in an intended straight-ahead stall if prompt and positive controls are not used" ("NTSB Letter").



Stall Fences

Stall fences are another device to prevent wing tips from stalling before the roots. They are thin plates which project up from the wing and lie parallel to the aircraft's axis of symmetry. Without these fences, a spanwise airflow along wings causes the boundary layer to thicken toward the wingtips, especially on swept-wing aircraft. This results in early boundary layer separation at the wingtips and loss of aileron control. Fences block spanwise airflow, preventing boundary layer buildup over the ailerons and thus improving stall characteristics (USCFC).

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Stall fences are primarily found on swept-wing aircraft like business jets and fighters, but are also found on straight-winged general aviation aircraft.

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The Eagle 150 has a unique design featuring a main wing, a forward wing, and a horizontal stabilizer. Each side of the main wing has a stall fence, which according to the manufacturer "redirects the airflow to the ailerons, creating a re-energizing effect.

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This allows the pilot or student pilot full control at minimum speed, and even at the point of stall" (Eagle Aircraft).

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Some aircraft have aerodynamic stall fences. These are not the typical vertical plates, but instead other devices which create the same effect. The Questair Venture kitplane has a small vertical slot on the leading edge of each wing; the airplane looks like it ran into a bandsaw. At high angles of attack, air flowing through this slot creates a trailing vortex that acts like a stall fence. NASA found that this "rooster tail" of air creates turbulent, high pressure air that can "impede the spanwise advance of the stall" (Cox). The Cirrus SR20 and SR22 have a similar feature. According to the manufacturer, "At high angles of attack, two distinct leading edges create an aerodynamic stall fence that serves as an airflow barrier, preventing the stalled inboard portion of the wing from affecting the outboard portion still producing lift" (Cirrus Design Corp.).

Whether the stall fence is a physical plate or an airflow barrier, this device combats the progression of a stall across a wing and helps keep air flowing over the ailerons.



Slots

Fixed slots in aircraft wings are used to increase the maximum coefficient of lift and delay the stall. Slots are long holes near the leading edge of a wing that run parallel to the leading edge. At high angles of attack, slots route high pressure air near the stagnation region under the wing to the lower pressure region on top (Dole and Lewis, 56). This rerouted air energizes the boundary layer and delays its separation (USCFC). Slots allow the aircraft to reach a higher angle of attack before stalling (Preston).

Slots were one of the earliest boundary layer control devices. In 1917, German pilot G.V. Lachmann stalled and crashed his airplane. While recovering in his hospital bed, he thought of adding several parallel slots to a wing, somewhat like a Venetian blind. He eventually created a model and tested it. He applied for a patent in 1918. But patent authorities turned him down, saying that the slots would destroy lift. Meanwhile, British aircraft designer Handley Page experimented with several different arrangements of slots (even including slots running chordwise).

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He found that adding leading edge slots to an aircraft could increase lift by 60 percent. Page and Lachmann learned of each other's experiments and successfully patented the leading edge slot (USCFC).

Slots greatly improve the performance of aircraft at high angles of attack, but they have disadvantages as well. They must be designed into the wing from the beginning; they cannot be retrofitted to improve a design. They cause a higher stall angle, so the plane must approach in a nose-up attitude that decreases visibility (USCFC). The main disadvantage is that slots create excessive drag during normal cruising flight (Smith 42). A solution to that problem is the slat, which is a slot with a moveable cover.



Vortex Generators

The most common boundary layer control devices are vortex generators. These are tiny plates mounted near the leading edge of the wing, perpendicular to the surface (USCFC). Vortex generators energize the boundary layer by mixing in high-energy air from outside the boundary layer (USCFC). They delay airflow separation (Preston).

Vortex generators are found on everything from small general aviation aircraft to large jets. They may be installed by the manufacturer or purchased as a retrofit. Micro Aerodynamics, Inc. offers vortex generator kits for the Cessna series. The kit includes 80 vortex generators for the wings that decrease the stall speed of the Cessna 172 by at least three knots (Micro Aerodynamics, Inc.).

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Cub Crafters, Inc. produces a similar kit for the Piper Super Cub which includes 36 vortex generators. The kit compresses the boundary layer by approximately 60 percent and reduces stall speed by up to six miles per hour. The stall is also more docile since the airflow reattaches more quickly during recovery (Cub Crafters, Inc.).

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Installing vortex generators are one of the easiest and cheapest ways to modify the stall characteristics of an airplane. A kit for a small aircraft usually costs approximately $1,500 and can be installed in one or two days.



Conclusion

The devices discussed in this paper can help warn the pilot of a stall, cause the airplane to stall more gently, and make the airplane resist spinning. They are added measures of safety that improve a basic wing. Small changes in airflow patterns over a wing can greatly improve aircraft handling qualities at high angle of attack.



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Muy bueno el texto :)

Yo probaré los slats y los generadores de vortices un poco mas adelante, implementados sobre una tira de cinta de fibra de vidrio :lol: Eso si, primero quiero cogerle el aire sin apendices extra, para notar las diferencias entre cada solucion.

Estoy leyendo el blog del tipo del F-18. Tiene un par de apartados interesantes, con muchos videos, pruebas de vuelo, etc...

Para principiantes, con algunos truquis interesantes:
http://www.rcpowers.com/forum/blog.php?u=24

Pruebas de vuelo, modifica modelos, los prueba, y va determinando que falla o que necesita. Interesante :)
http://www.rcpowers.com/forum/blog.php?u=27
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